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The use or misuse of symbols can drive a very complex discussion.  Even Christian symbols have been used in the commission of atrocities, as in the martyrdom of Mennonites and others that the official church and its adherents, such as the Spanish Inquisition, considered herectical.  It is important to use our language to express the precise meanings of such symbols to each and every one of us and not rely on the symbols themselves to speak effectively across the boundaries of experience, culture and generations.  I am very glad that Ruth, her son, Sam and Erinn were able to begin this dialogue by identifying a few of the many meanings embedded in the red star and the swastica.

Thank you Ruth for providing a forum to this sensitive topic. First it must be made clear to everyone who is coming here to post their thoughts, that education, independent of the status quo is necessary to find truth in what is or will be projected in the future of ancestral children, here or anywhere else on the this topic. Secondly in providing a forum to all who register is perhaps a mistake due to the fact that those individuals who may be directly related to a persecutor has the ability to overthrow the discussion and provide many confusing obstacles by providing their argumentative source as ripe. Thus those who have studied this topic on surface levels are subjected to capitulation and the conspiracy continues on. There are many other reasons for this feeling but it would take pages to provide evidence here.
Anyone who had relatives populating the GULAG system and primarily the Russian German which includes the Mennonites should be the primary objective to access. I do not endorse welcoming a mix of opinions here because of this corruption of information. I can verify my relationship to these historical events by letters during famine periods but for the GULAG system they have probably rotted somewhere or have been destroyed. The point here is that my family originated on the Volga and Krimea and the legitimacy to my opinion is weighed and should be of value.
What I have read here seems to be more on academic opinion and not based on family experience, thus illegitimating the posts. Something also needing to be stated, is that when youth as well as adults have had their minds filled with rubbish for decades, it becomes necessary to explain that those families directly affected by this period of the "Red Terror" have lost all connection to the families from the homeland, and therefore their understanding of this period of evidence has been manipulated in favor of the Bolshevik.
I would certainly like to see the documents of Stalin's order's for the killings, because they will begin or should impact every member of the Russian German community deported into the GULAG, thus identifying once and for all those responsible, to be held accountable to the infinite crimes committed to the community, including other groups.
As for the Red Star it in-fact represents Communism, Bolshevism and Social Democracy and not Marxism specifically but to all of them. For some, it is even suggested that it also represents the Jewish star. This I have yet to confirm, but the leadership is well documented as Jewish or atheistic Jews. This atheism doesn't negate their origin. These are the men responsible for millions of deaths either by famine, execution or the GULAG. So in that regard it is the most appalling symbol against life and has more destruction behind it than the Swastika. Should they be out lawed? I think not as you and I agree that the freedom to discuss this issue is necessary but needs to be moderated with truth. Hearsay is not truth. For individuals to spend a few months on this topic or have seen documentaries on the subject, issues no credibility in their opinion and I support your rigid stance on this issue. The Russian German/German Russian nearly perished through Bolshevism and as it still breathes today, the possibilities of this happening again are possible and disagreement between opinions is witnessed. I would suggest to those learning their heritage to learn about Bolshevism and the arms of security.
To argue among ourselves is destructive to the RG/GR  community and those who argue against the interpretation of the Star are a risk to truth. Most importantly for someone in this debate is a must to analyze their source from whence it came. After 1920 sources can be considered propaganda. The ethnicity is also the most important point in using source information. Question not our ancestor's, Question those who disagree for they wish them all to die! It is for us to Remember them!
Lastly Christianity has existed for nearly 2000 years. Bolshevism/Communism nearly 80 years. Those who suffered told someone about their experience, who congruently told someone and now our children must be told. is the Red Star symbolism right or wrong. The time spent is minuscule in comparison to Christianity. The Star represents the end of a beloved Czarist family and the destruction of Christianity which was accomplished outwardly but not in the hearts and minds of those millions who died by the Iron Fist of the Star. I commend you Ruth for bringing this to the publics attention. I however think since we are not organized as a group we will be once again ridiculed and condemned. We must once again come together and open up communication at all levels. As many wish to reject their cultural identity and cling to a flag as their birth right, it is vital that we all once gain discover our Mother Russia and our Father Germany and unite as their legitimate children once more! Wishing you much success! Krasnov....

Last edited by Krasnov (2009-10-02 21:02:36)